So I hit up WoWWiki and dug out all of the women listed on the noteworthy pages, omitted anyone who was only there because they were like Thrall's mom or something, and threw a little sample list together of women lore characters to pull some percentages/ratios/etc from. For those with no familiarity with Warcraft I'll try to explain the dismal results as I go.
The list: (All listed as "major lore characters of the past/present") Aegwynn, Jaina Proudmoore, Tyrande Whisperwind, Maiev Shadowsong, Alleria Windrunner, Sylvanas Windrunner, Vareesa Windrunner, Garona Halforcen, Ysera, Alexstrasza, Azshara, Lady Vashj, Elune, Aviana
(All listed as "noteworthy" for their race) Magatha Grimtotem, Shandris Feathermoon, Valeera Sanguinara, Anveena Teague, Lady Liadrin, Modgud, Iridi, Greatmother Geyah, Moira Bronzebeard
(Thrown in because they deserved it or on a whim) Onyxia, Soridormi, Tyrygosa, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Eonar, The Earthmother, Queen Lana'thel, High Inquisitor Whitemane, Argent Confessor Paletress, High General Abbendis, Ishanah
Total # of women: 35
Abbendis, Ishanah, Whitemane, and Paletress could certainly be argued against inclusion, but I like them and they qualify as leaders, so there.
So, first observation:
Major Female Lore Characters: 14/81 (17%)
Just a measurement of women listed on the "major lore characters of past and present" guide, with Ursol and Ursoc counted as one. To be fair, Korialstrasz is included on this list and Onyxia omitted, so while there is room for argument, I would say this is generally accurate.
Class breakdowns:
All percentages are rounded. Of the 35 listed, 7/35 (20%) have indeterminable or unlisted classes. Most of them are dragons. Only one is officially a non-combatant.
In This Category: Alexstrasza, Anveena, Soridormi, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Onyxia, The Earthmother
7/35 (20%) are priests (or 25% of verifiable classes)
Tyrande, Elune, Iridi, Ishanah, Moira, Whitemane, and Paletress were all counted as priests.
7/35 (20%) are mages (or 25% of verifiable classes)
Aegwynn, Jaina, Azshara, Vashj, Modgud, Tyrygosa, Lana'thel were all counted as mages. Please note that Aviana is classified as a rogue-mage but I opted to put her in rogue rather than mage.
5/35 (14%) are hunters (or 18% of verifiable classes)
Alleria, Sylvanas, Vareesa, Shandris, and Maeiv were all counted as hunters. Note that Maeiv is technically a Warden, but eh, close as it comes.
3/35 (9%) are rogues (or 11% of verifiable classes)
That would be Garona, Valeera, and Aviana, who as mentioned above could also be counted as a mage.
2/35 (6%) are paladins (or 7% of verifiable classes)
Lady Liadrin and High General Abbendis. Note that neither of them are very good at being holy warriors of the light, but I will come back to that.
2/35 (6%) are shamans (or 7% of verifiable classes)
Magatha and Greatmother Geyah, the old women. If I were counting the Earthmother towards a class it would likely be Shaman.. she was awkward to list anyhow.
1/35 (3%) are druids (or 4% of verifiable classes)
Just Ysera here, and that's certainly up for argument.
Class Archetype Breakdowns
14/35 (40%) are healers
The Earthmother and Alexstrasza have been added to the tally here, along with Priests, Shamans, Druids and Paladins.
20/35 (57%) are ranged
Maiev and Ysera were not counted as ranged, though both Magatha and Geyeh were, as were the remainder of hunters, mages and priests.
... but only 9/35 (25%) can be verified as melee
The majority of them are dragons we've actually seen do some dragoning. Rogues, Paladins, and Maeiv were also counted as melee.
20/35 (57%) are casters
Regardless of their class - Alexstrasza and Ysera were both counted here for obvious reasons, though more ambiguous ones weren't.
Character Breakdowns
10/35 (29%) are evil
Azshara, Onyxia, Modgud, Vashj, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Magatha, Abbendis, Whitemane, and Lana'thel. You could certainly make some arguments about Sylvanas but until she's friendly to no one, well...
10/35 (29%) are virtuous/self-sacrificing/holy
We're getting into more dodgy territory here - what I'm angling at here is that sense of putting female characters on a pedestal - they are not only good people but utterly "pure." There are a few gods in here that skew the results, but even relevant to the male gods, the ladies are pretty long-suffering and pacifistic and etc. I have included Ysera, Alexstrasza, Elune, Vareesa, Ishanah, Anveena, Irina, Eonar, Earthmother, and much to my regret, Jaina. I'd say she's the least justifiable but I think she fits into the archetype I'm trying to capture.
9/35 (26%) have been "victims of their own pride" / obsession / hatred / other personal weakness
Usually with dire consequences for the rest of the world. An unfortunate pattern I've noticed: Women lore characters tend to foul things up royally for other people when they transgress, and typically do not get the Arthas Treatment should they be slowly descending into madness. What this often comes out meaning is that the women are simply not allowed to show negative character traits, or else they must be cured with long absences and male sons in the case of Aegwynn or the power of love in the case of Alleria. What this winds up meaning is that a lot of the women get slotted into one of the two categories above - virtuous or not, with little room in between. I do not know why women characters are apparently more prone to cataclysmic failure, personal weakness and Generally Awful Ideas, but the ones I've included: Sylvanas, Maiev, Aegwynn, Liadrin, Azshara, Alleria, Tyrande, Whitemane, Abbendis.
For perspective, those in none of the above categories:
Garona, Aviana, Soridormi, Tyrygosa, Paletress. Only one of these four is a major lore character with her own backstory, personality, goals, etc - she has also disappeared from canon recently, her most significant contribution of late being a child with a more important male lore character, conceived under dubious circumstances.
17/35 (49%) are important for proximity to/affect on male characters
To get the most neutral counting, I counted everyone - a lot of these characters have actually been active and done things in their own right, but can still be considered in terms of which male characters they are important to. I think I was brutal but fair on this count - Aegwynn, Tyrande, Iridi, Jaina, Maiev, Valeera, Vareesa, Modgud, Onyxia, Soridormi, Moira, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Abbendis, Tyrygosa, and Geyah were included. Alleria, having been introduced at the same time as Turalyon and Khadgar and being, therefore, on the same footing, was not.
25/35 (71%) use an Elven, Human, or Draenei model (or 25/31 with canonical humanoid forms)
Known to those who play WoW as "the pretty races." I would like to go back and quantify exactly how much armor they're all wearing, and I definitely would if I could, but I'm not sure of how exactly I'd manage that. Elune, Eonar, and Ysera were all counted towards this total.
5/35 (14%) have no human blood or human form
That's Moira, Modgud, Magatha, Geyah, and The Earthmother. All female dragons to date with the noteably awesome exception of Chromie have had elven or human forms, so all female dragons with no canonical forms were not counted towards this total. Garona is half draenei/human, and therefore was also not counted.
I am sure there are other things that I could count and I will probably come back to this later, but for right now I think this kind of paints a picture of what I'm looking at. I'd like to cherrypick some of the more important ladies here (i.e. those with actual dialogue) and pick it apart later. Suffice to say: I hate you, Blizzard.
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Distracted by her shiny owl hat, no doubt.
July 3 2010, 02:51:17 UTC 1 year ago
(I'm still hoping against hope for the Wardens to be the next hero class. No hero class in Cata makes me do this: D:< and >:|)
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For my purposes though, I was really just tallying the characters who are definitely not any kind of "pretty race."
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Oh I know this feeling. I'd probably have rolled a warrior by now except that I couldn't tank if my life depended on it.
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July 3 2010, 12:58:31 UTC 1 year ago
OPart of it is that you're trying to pad your numbers to get a bigger sample database (Including gods and dragons.... and while, yes, Alexstrasza was a female dragon, she was still a dragon. And not only a dragon, but guardian of all life, and queen of the dragons. One of her titles is 'she who is life'... tha'ts... kinda spectacular, compared to, y'know, thrall's mom.
Likewise, the earthmother is a god! She's like.. like... the embodiment of the force. She's in EVERYTHING. and 'she' may not even be a she. She may be beyond gender.. and the view of 'mother' impossed upon her by the Tauren. Plus, can a being that's lived, existed and BEEN for time uncountless really be quantified by a race?
I don't know my lore veyr well... I only earned my first 80 about 2 weeks ago... but I think if you remove the dragons and gods from your numbers.....
I think you're down to 24...
I'll see if I can find some more lore characters that "count" for your list.
Also, I really odn't think that the guise of a human or whatnot really matters. You can put clothes on a dog, but t's still a god. Even if the clothes make the dog fit inside the room without crushing you all. ;)
plus, it's important to keep in midn that this, ultuimalty is a fantasy settling, and that fantasy, as well in real lifem we tend to have a fuzzy line between male and female.
think of a nurse. A police officer. a teacher. A construction worker. A flight attendent. A farmer. All of these jobs and many more, generally have a conontation of a 'masculine jo" or a feminine job. there are many exclusions and exceptionns, but in general, we regard some jobs as being more female-oriented. And its' because females DO tend towards those jobs.
in wow... the same's true. While it's not as sexually biased as, say, the real world, I do think that it's more in a feminine nature to be a caretaker, or be more intellect based.
and likewise.... speaking as a female here, quite bluntly, most of the momenbers of the female gender ARE prideful, bitchy, and vengeful. I don't LIKE females most times for those very reasons. exceptions, as always, but we *are* more tempermental in some aspects and I think we hold grudges longer.
NO excuse for bad writing of course....
but....
I'd REALLY love to see how the male side of things breaks down as well... I bet, in it's own way, it'll be jsut as 'bad' as this.
But.. y'know... there are stereotypes and cliches for a reason. cliches work.
Sorry for this being so disjointe,d I"m half asleep... I'll come back later and reread this, and possibly take everything I've said back, lol.
good job putting all this together :D
July 3 2010, 19:15:25 UTC 1 year ago
I recognize that classes are gendered - which is probably exactly why I put this together. The fact that they seem to just be rolling with this gendered connotation is revealing in and of itself. There's no real reason why it should be that way, because for the most part it's totally arbitrary - especially in a fantasy world where you don't really need to factor in social or physiological differences unless you feel like doing so.
Speaking as a female here... Women are no more prideful, bitchy and vengeful than men and there's really no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to be that way. It's pretty bullshit that we're expected to lack the capacity for anger IMO and to suggest that it's a bad thing to have it is kind of unwelcome.
July 4 2010, 00:43:02 UTC 1 year ago
This. -Everyone- has the capacity for irrational moods, moodswings, gossiping, vengeful, prideful behaviour (I mean pride not being a male trait also? Really?) The only reason we are labelled as such over and above men is because traditionally we're supposed to be meek and polite, and any behaviour that is moody or aggressive is somehow seen as unfeminine and therefore unjustified.
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August 4 2010, 23:21:45 UTC 1 year ago
Except that we really can't know if females would tend towards those jobs in a completely equal world. You can't ignore the historical basis for this - for a long time, certain jobs were the only things women were allowed to do, because they were considered to be women's work. Even today there is this belief, there are people who think women shouldn't work at all, and we are raised being told that women should be nurturers. Azeroth has a completely different history and culture, so why should it necessarily have the same gender roles?
July 3 2010, 14:57:43 UTC 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure Chromie is actually male, though.
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I mostly glom on to awesome quest givers, like Gorgonna in Grizzly Hills.
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February 10 2011, 01:45:33 UTC 1 year ago
*WARNING* *CATA SPOILER ALERT*
as she sacrificed her own life to keep the taint-free black dragon egg safe from Deathwing. In just a handful of quests, I really warmed up to this person, and it was quite a jolt when she died. Maybe they can rez her?
In Azeroth, death is only the beginning.
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