paperclipchains ([info]paperclipchains) wrote,

Warcraft Ladystats

So it's really no secret that Warcraft is a giant bucket or race/genderfail, but I did little stat-analyses and character breakdowns for a couple of other games and series, so I decided I'd do one for the Warcraft universe as well.

So I hit up WoWWiki and dug out all of the women listed on the noteworthy pages, omitted anyone who was only there because they were like Thrall's mom or something, and threw a little sample list together of women lore characters to pull some percentages/ratios/etc from. For those with no familiarity with Warcraft I'll try to explain the dismal results as I go.

The list: (All listed as "major lore characters of the past/present") Aegwynn, Jaina Proudmoore, Tyrande Whisperwind, Maiev Shadowsong, Alleria Windrunner, Sylvanas Windrunner, Vareesa Windrunner, Garona Halforcen, Ysera, Alexstrasza, Azshara, Lady Vashj, Elune, Aviana

(All listed as "noteworthy" for their race) Magatha Grimtotem, Shandris Feathermoon, Valeera Sanguinara, Anveena Teague, Lady Liadrin, Modgud, Iridi, Greatmother Geyah, Moira Bronzebeard

(Thrown in because they deserved it or on a whim) Onyxia, Soridormi, Tyrygosa, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Eonar, The Earthmother, Queen Lana'thel, High Inquisitor Whitemane, Argent Confessor Paletress, High General Abbendis, Ishanah

Total # of women: 35
Abbendis, Ishanah, Whitemane, and Paletress could certainly be argued against inclusion, but I like them and they qualify as leaders, so there.

So, first observation:

Major Female Lore Characters: 14/81 (17%)
Just a measurement of women listed on the "major lore characters of past and present" guide, with Ursol and Ursoc counted as one. To be fair, Korialstrasz is included on this list and Onyxia omitted, so while there is room for argument, I would say this is generally accurate.

Class breakdowns:
All percentages are rounded. Of the 35 listed, 7/35 (20%) have indeterminable or unlisted classes. Most of them are dragons. Only one is officially a non-combatant.
In This Category: Alexstrasza, Anveena, Soridormi, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Onyxia, The Earthmother

7/35 (20%) are priests (or 25% of verifiable classes)
Tyrande, Elune, Iridi, Ishanah, Moira, Whitemane, and Paletress were all counted as priests.

7/35 (20%) are mages (or 25% of verifiable classes)
Aegwynn, Jaina, Azshara, Vashj, Modgud, Tyrygosa, Lana'thel were all counted as mages. Please note that Aviana is classified as a rogue-mage but I opted to put her in rogue rather than mage.

5/35 (14%) are hunters (or 18% of verifiable classes)
Alleria, Sylvanas, Vareesa, Shandris, and Maeiv were all counted as hunters. Note that Maeiv is technically a Warden, but eh, close as it comes.

3/35 (9%) are rogues (or 11% of verifiable classes)
That would be Garona, Valeera, and Aviana, who as mentioned above could also be counted as a mage.

2/35 (6%) are paladins (or 7% of verifiable classes)
Lady Liadrin and High General Abbendis. Note that neither of them are very good at being holy warriors of the light, but I will come back to that.

2/35 (6%) are shamans (or 7% of verifiable classes)
Magatha and Greatmother Geyah, the old women. If I were counting the Earthmother towards a class it would likely be Shaman.. she was awkward to list anyhow.

1/35 (3%) are druids (or 4% of verifiable classes)
Just Ysera here, and that's certainly up for argument.

Class Archetype Breakdowns

14/35 (40%) are healers
The Earthmother and Alexstrasza have been added to the tally here, along with Priests, Shamans, Druids and Paladins.

20/35 (57%) are ranged
Maiev and Ysera were not counted as ranged, though both Magatha and Geyeh were, as were the remainder of hunters, mages and priests.

... but only 9/35 (25%) can be verified as melee
The majority of them are dragons we've actually seen do some dragoning. Rogues, Paladins, and Maeiv were also counted as melee.

20/35 (57%) are casters
Regardless of their class - Alexstrasza and Ysera were both counted here for obvious reasons, though more ambiguous ones weren't.

Character Breakdowns

10/35 (29%) are evil
Azshara, Onyxia, Modgud, Vashj, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Magatha, Abbendis, Whitemane, and Lana'thel. You could certainly make some arguments about Sylvanas but until she's friendly to no one, well...

10/35 (29%) are virtuous/self-sacrificing/holy
We're getting into more dodgy territory here - what I'm angling at here is that sense of putting female characters on a pedestal - they are not only good people but utterly "pure." There are a few gods in here that skew the results, but even relevant to the male gods, the ladies are pretty long-suffering and pacifistic and etc. I have included Ysera, Alexstrasza, Elune, Vareesa, Ishanah, Anveena, Irina, Eonar, Earthmother, and much to my regret, Jaina. I'd say she's the least justifiable but I think she fits into the archetype I'm trying to capture.

9/35 (26%) have been "victims of their own pride" / obsession / hatred / other personal weakness
Usually with dire consequences for the rest of the world. An unfortunate pattern I've noticed: Women lore characters tend to foul things up royally for other people when they transgress, and typically do not get the Arthas Treatment should they be slowly descending into madness. What this often comes out meaning is that the women are simply not allowed to show negative character traits, or else they must be cured with long absences and male sons in the case of Aegwynn or the power of love in the case of Alleria. What this winds up meaning is that a lot of the women get slotted into one of the two categories above - virtuous or not, with little room in between. I do not know why women characters are apparently more prone to cataclysmic failure, personal weakness and Generally Awful Ideas, but the ones I've included: Sylvanas, Maiev, Aegwynn, Liadrin, Azshara, Alleria, Tyrande, Whitemane, Abbendis.

For perspective, those in none of the above categories:
Garona, Aviana, Soridormi, Tyrygosa, Paletress. Only one of these four is a major lore character with her own backstory, personality, goals, etc - she has also disappeared from canon recently, her most significant contribution of late being a child with a more important male lore character, conceived under dubious circumstances.

17/35 (49%) are important for proximity to/affect on male characters
To get the most neutral counting, I counted everyone - a lot of these characters have actually been active and done things in their own right, but can still be considered in terms of which male characters they are important to. I think I was brutal but fair on this count - Aegwynn, Tyrande, Iridi, Jaina, Maiev, Valeera, Vareesa, Modgud, Onyxia, Soridormi, Moira, Sintharia, Sindragosa, Abbendis, Tyrygosa, and Geyah were included. Alleria, having been introduced at the same time as Turalyon and Khadgar and being, therefore, on the same footing, was not.

25/35 (71%) use an Elven, Human, or Draenei model (or 25/31 with canonical humanoid forms)
Known to those who play WoW as "the pretty races." I would like to go back and quantify exactly how much armor they're all wearing, and I definitely would if I could, but I'm not sure of how exactly I'd manage that. Elune, Eonar, and Ysera were all counted towards this total.

5/35 (14%) have no human blood or human form
That's Moira, Modgud, Magatha, Geyah, and The Earthmother. All female dragons to date with the noteably awesome exception of Chromie have had elven or human forms, so all female dragons with no canonical forms were not counted towards this total. Garona is half draenei/human, and therefore was also not counted.

I am sure there are other things that I could count and I will probably come back to this later, but for right now I think this kind of paints a picture of what I'm looking at. I'd like to cherrypick some of the more important ladies here (i.e. those with actual dialogue) and pick it apart later. Suffice to say: I hate you, Blizzard.

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Tags: feminism, overanalysis theatre, warcraft

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[info]seth_kukai

July 2 2010, 22:52:15 UTC 1 year ago

Chris Metzen and Richard Knaack are really horrible writers in general, and they're the driving forces behind character creation. Until they go away and stop being the Word of God, the situation won't change much.

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 00:37:47 UTC 1 year ago

Your icon compensates for this depressing truth.

[info]e_mily

July 3 2010, 02:15:08 UTC 1 year ago

Discussion note: I'd say Maiev is also important for her proximity to/affect on male characters. Her whole storyline is that she's chasing (and eventually kills) Illidan. That's the only reason she's in the Lore.

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 02:15:48 UTC 1 year ago

Snap, how did I miss that one?

Distracted by her shiny owl hat, no doubt.

[info]e_mily

July 3 2010, 02:51:17 UTC 1 year ago

And her superduper weapon.

(I'm still hoping against hope for the Wardens to be the next hero class. No hero class in Cata makes me do this: D:< and >:|)

[info]jeymien

July 3 2010, 05:39:46 UTC 1 year ago

I would like to point out that Garona is not half-human. That was retconned to halfdraenei/halforc since there were no humans on Draenor when she was conceived and born. Because the humans of Azeroth hadn't seen a draenei, they just *thought* she was half human.

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 05:45:00 UTC 1 year ago

Curse you, Garona's lineage! Ever-changing and impossible!

For my purposes though, I was really just tallying the characters who are definitely not any kind of "pretty race."

[info]pewter

July 3 2010, 10:11:02 UTC 1 year ago

I wonder how often WoW passes step 2 of the Bechdel Test.

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 19:21:08 UTC 1 year ago

Um... I don't think WoW does visibly... But Warcraft III did - Shandris and Tyrande spring to mind.

[info]pewter

1 year ago

[info]dragonspeaker

July 3 2010, 12:25:07 UTC 1 year ago

While I don't really have anything intelligent to add to this, I did want to say that it was an interesting read! I do feel like most of the female NPCs I encounter are healer/caster classes and it annoyed me that so few are badass armed-to-the-teeth warrior types. Maybe that was the subconcious reason why I went with a female ret pally... :3

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 19:18:07 UTC 1 year ago

Maybe that was the subconcious reason why I went with a female ret pally...

Oh I know this feeling. I'd probably have rolled a warrior by now except that I couldn't tank if my life depended on it.

[info]otakuattorney

July 5 2010, 14:10:50 UTC 1 year ago

There are these marvelous trees called Arms and Fury, you know. Granted, I tanked largely because I was a terrible Arms warrior (yes, I know, this shouldn't be possible...), but still.

[info]uneko

July 3 2010, 12:58:31 UTC 1 year ago

This is a really interesting break down... but I really disagree with your methods.

OPart of it is that you're trying to pad your numbers to get a bigger sample database (Including gods and dragons.... and while, yes, Alexstrasza was a female dragon, she was still a dragon. And not only a dragon, but guardian of all life, and queen of the dragons. One of her titles is 'she who is life'... tha'ts... kinda spectacular, compared to, y'know, thrall's mom.
Likewise, the earthmother is a god! She's like.. like... the embodiment of the force. She's in EVERYTHING. and 'she' may not even be a she. She may be beyond gender.. and the view of 'mother' impossed upon her by the Tauren. Plus, can a being that's lived, existed and BEEN for time uncountless really be quantified by a race?

I don't know my lore veyr well... I only earned my first 80 about 2 weeks ago... but I think if you remove the dragons and gods from your numbers.....

I think you're down to 24...

I'll see if I can find some more lore characters that "count" for your list.

Also, I really odn't think that the guise of a human or whatnot really matters. You can put clothes on a dog, but t's still a god. Even if the clothes make the dog fit inside the room without crushing you all. ;)

plus, it's important to keep in midn that this, ultuimalty is a fantasy settling, and that fantasy, as well in real lifem we tend to have a fuzzy line between male and female.

think of a nurse. A police officer. a teacher. A construction worker. A flight attendent. A farmer. All of these jobs and many more, generally have a conontation of a 'masculine jo" or a feminine job. there are many exclusions and exceptionns, but in general, we regard some jobs as being more female-oriented. And its' because females DO tend towards those jobs.

in wow... the same's true. While it's not as sexually biased as, say, the real world, I do think that it's more in a feminine nature to be a caretaker, or be more intellect based.

and likewise.... speaking as a female here, quite bluntly, most of the momenbers of the female gender ARE prideful, bitchy, and vengeful. I don't LIKE females most times for those very reasons. exceptions, as always, but we *are* more tempermental in some aspects and I think we hold grudges longer.

NO excuse for bad writing of course....

but....


I'd REALLY love to see how the male side of things breaks down as well... I bet, in it's own way, it'll be jsut as 'bad' as this.

But.. y'know... there are stereotypes and cliches for a reason. cliches work.

Sorry for this being so disjointe,d I"m half asleep... I'll come back later and reread this, and possibly take everything I've said back, lol.

good job putting all this together :D

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 19:15:25 UTC 1 year ago

I'm not sure I'm seeing your point re: the dragons/gods? Like I said I mostly just picked from the "major lore characters" page - but Elune was included and not The Earthmother, so I threw her in. Frankly I think omitting Alexstrasza would be a big mistake, and isn't it significant in itself that there are so many dragons-to-humans?

I recognize that classes are gendered - which is probably exactly why I put this together. The fact that they seem to just be rolling with this gendered connotation is revealing in and of itself. There's no real reason why it should be that way, because for the most part it's totally arbitrary - especially in a fantasy world where you don't really need to factor in social or physiological differences unless you feel like doing so.

Speaking as a female here... Women are no more prideful, bitchy and vengeful than men and there's really no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to be that way. It's pretty bullshit that we're expected to lack the capacity for anger IMO and to suggest that it's a bad thing to have it is kind of unwelcome.

[info]pewter

July 4 2010, 00:43:02 UTC 1 year ago

Speaking as a female here... Women are no more prideful, bitchy and vengeful than men and there's really no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to be that way. It's pretty bullshit that we're expected to lack the capacity for anger IMO and to suggest that it's a bad thing to have it is kind of unwelcome.

This. -Everyone- has the capacity for irrational moods, moodswings, gossiping, vengeful, prideful behaviour (I mean pride not being a male trait also? Really?) The only reason we are labelled as such over and above men is because traditionally we're supposed to be meek and polite, and any behaviour that is moody or aggressive is somehow seen as unfeminine and therefore unjustified.

[info]pewter

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[info]phaetonschariot

August 4 2010, 23:21:45 UTC 1 year ago

And its' because females DO tend towards those jobs.

Except that we really can't know if females would tend towards those jobs in a completely equal world. You can't ignore the historical basis for this - for a long time, certain jobs were the only things women were allowed to do, because they were considered to be women's work. Even today there is this belief, there are people who think women shouldn't work at all, and we are raised being told that women should be nurturers. Azeroth has a completely different history and culture, so why should it necessarily have the same gender roles?

[info]toriforte

July 3 2010, 14:57:43 UTC 1 year ago

This is awesome!

I'm pretty sure Chromie is actually male, though.

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 19:16:03 UTC 1 year ago

I'm really not sure! And the WoWWiki article can't seem to make its mind up either!

[info]iponly

July 3 2010, 15:48:00 UTC 1 year ago

Thrall's mom has her own story in one of the warcraft manga (the short story collections) and it's pretty awesome. But there is denying the assorted fails of warcraft lore.

I mostly glom on to awesome quest givers, like Gorgonna in Grizzly Hills.

[info]paperclipchains

July 3 2010, 19:17:17 UTC 1 year ago

I loved Gorgonna - but the whole subplot about Krenna and oh what a terrible evil bitch she is look how corrupt a leader she is really rubbed me the wrong way. It didn't help that she was also the ugly hag and Gorgonna looked younger and attractive.

[info]ilurveyourmom

July 4 2010, 14:32:31 UTC 1 year ago

This was a great read! Thanks for the link from W_L

[info]cahotska

August 5 2010, 16:11:59 UTC 1 year ago

Although I don't think she has an avatar in WoW proper, I'd be inclined to add Pathonia Shaw to the list. (She was mostly detailed out for the tabletop game.) Even I have trouble describing her without using the words "Mathias Shaw's grandma," but in all fairness, everything he does rides HER coattails, not the other way around. She's a pretty cool character overall, and still alive as far as I know.

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Anonymous

February 10 2011, 01:45:33 UTC 1 year ago

Included in Cata was a lovely member of the Red Dragonflight: Rheastrasza. What made her interesting was the fact that she was the only one who chose a goblin form. Unfortunately we never got to learn too much about her

*WARNING* *CATA SPOILER ALERT*

as she sacrificed her own life to keep the taint-free black dragon egg safe from Deathwing. In just a handful of quests, I really warmed up to this person, and it was quite a jolt when she died. Maybe they can rez her?

In Azeroth, death is only the beginning.

/*WARNING*

[info]auroraceleste

February 10 2011, 01:46:34 UTC 1 year ago

I cried when I finished that chain.
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